Fw: H-ASIA: Seeking Latin-English translation (further)

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Subject: H-ASIA: Seeking Latin-English translation (further)

> H-ASIA
> November 4, 2011
>
> Further postings re: seeking Latin-English translation
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> 1.)
> From: Kevin Tsai <sktsai@indiana.edu>
>
> With reference to Mr. Upton's post offering a correction to
> the translation re: East India vs. the east Indies, etc.:
>
> I assume Mr. Upton's translation correction is based on the location
> of Klein's mission. However, my impression, based on casual reading,
> is that India Orientalis was a specific geographical term with
> currency from 16th c. and onward, referring to a region much greater
> than just India. (If "India orientalis" were to appear in a classical
> text, it probably would have meant "Eastern India." There was only
> one India for the Romans, and no distinction between India Orientalis
> and Columbus' sadly mistaken India Occidentalis.) So it seems
> unlikely that Klein could have used it in a fashion to cause
> confusion. If he had meant something like Eastern India, he might
> have written "in Indostane" or "in Indostane orientali." According to
> Hondius' 1619 map of the East Indies, Indostan (Hindustan, I suppose)
> is the Latin term for the geographical division closest to modern
> India. So I do believe that "in India Orientali" should be translated
> as "in the East Indies." Am I missing something?
>
> By the way, thanks for confirming what morbus venereus probably meant
> in Klein's thesis. In that case we do need a definite article, rather
> than an indefinite article, in the English rendering ("the veneral
> disease").
>
> Experts, please do enlighten, for I am as ignorant as the man in the
> street about the modern world. This is not my area at all.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
> Kevin Tsai
> Indiana University
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> 2.0From: Prof Ivo Carneiro de Sousa <ivo.carneiro@usj.edu.mo>
>
> Dears Members,
>
> I will propose the following translation
> "On the healing of venereal disease in the visited [part of] East India,
> inaugural specimen, which one duly submits for obtaining the degree of
> Doctor of Medicine in the University of Copenhagen."
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Ivo Carneiro de Sousa
> Principal. Institute for Advanced Studies
> University of Saint Joseph
> Rua de Londres 16, Macau SAR.
> ivo.carneiro@usj.edu.mo
> http://usj.edu.mo/
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> From: Carol Henderson <chenderson96@aol.com>:
>
> KHere's an alternative translation by someone who knows Latin and
> studied in Europe. It's literal:
>
> "Practices relating to the treatment of venereal disease in East
> India, submitted as a scientific writing towards the fulfillment of
> the degree of doctor of medicine according to the rules of the
> University of Copenhagen"
>
> Carol E. Henderson
> Rutgers University-Newark
>
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> 4.)
> From: Rajesh Kochhar <info@rajeshkochhar.com>
>
> Thanks, But India Orientalis must be East Indies. Klein never went to
> East India. His area of activity was South India. Syphilis is generall
> believed to have been brought by the Portuguese , on the west coast.
> Rajesh Kochhar
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